Dan Cates 的打法

pongba

喜欢HU和短桌，不喜欢FR，所以查了一下持续crush online nosebleed的Dan Cates的打法，但是没有找到太多的信息，城里有人知道Dan Cates的打法是更多属于压榨的还是GTO的吗？看了他的一些视频，看起来应该还是GTO居多。

Howard

没有系统观摩学习过Dan Gates的视频，这里只是胡说一二。我认为无论高水平还是低水平的HU，其每一手牌还都是以MaxEV也就是剥削性的打法为主，其区别是偏离GTO的程度。因为高水平HU对手非常接近GTO，导致自己必须也非常接近，顶多能偏离一点点，否则就要被敏锐的对手所剥削。

pongba

嗯，完全同意。另外，感觉有时候有GTO就偷懒了，而不去根据对手的tendency去做剥削打法。比如昨晚的$1/$2，河牌做的几个GTO call都失败了，但其实如果仔细看对手的tendency的话，可以免掉其中多数的call。有时候，觉得showdown价值特别好的时候，特别想看showdown，就会拿GTO作为借口去说服自己做call，心想既然是GTO，不会太离谱。我觉得这是一个小误区。short handed table1) hero in BB with T2o, 4way limpin pot. flop XX2ccc, SB check, hero checks, UTG check, BTN bet 3 into an $8 pot, all call. turn 2. all check. River blank. SB leads $18. GTO-wise I think it's a must call. but considering SB is a tight player and he leads out in a 4way pot, his bluff frequency is very slim. I can only beat the very bottom of his value range, a worse 2. I have to win almost 30%, but I don't think I have 30% equity against his range there.2) 3way pot. Hero in +1 with A4cc. UTG limp, hero raises to $8, BB & UTG calls. Flop 934hh. check to hero cbet $12. BB calls. UTG fold. turn 9. check, check. River 4. BB leads $18. Again I found myself in a spot where I have to call GTO-wise, since I almost never have a hand better than 4 here, and he can have lots of busted draws. But here the problem is, if he has a draw, he most likely would lead out or c/r in previous streets, so his passive line consists of made hands, and the part of his passive line range that can bet the river almost all beats me. So again, although GTO decision here is technically not wrong, there can be more +EV plays.3) hero UTG open to $6 with JTo, BB calls. flop K27r, Hero cbets, BB calls. Turn 5, check check. river T. BB leads $10. Here again I almost never have better than T (QQ, JJ I will likely x/c to showdown instead of cbetting). But if we look at that flop, what hands could I beat? I can only beat a crazy float, and even that float would most likely have A high and hence showdown value. so what hands are betting $10 there, almost always a decent K or 2p.

lililili11

pongba 发表于 2015-1-29 02:21嗯，完全同意。另外，感觉有时候有GTO就偷懒了，而不去根据对手的tendency去做剥削打法。比如昨晚的$1/$2 ...没有读人的话，我觉得这三手call的都没问题。问题在于，多数人缺乏河牌诈唬的range。所以在有阅读的前提下，或者根据这个“种群倾向”，GTO标准要重新根据这个参数来调整。不过我始终觉得这三手call的问题不大，运气不好罢了。

Whyylu

pongba 发表于 2015-1-29 02:21嗯，完全同意。另外，感觉有时候有GTO就偷懒了，而不去根据对手的tendency去做剥削打法。比如昨晚的$1/$2 ...Pongba兄这三手牌如何用GTO分析出来要call 呢？还是说根据1/2定律抛硬币，结果都是正面所以要call？

yyy6

pongba 发表于 2015-1-29 02:21嗯，完全同意。另外，感觉有时候有GTO就偷懒了，而不去根据对手的tendency去做剥削打法。比如昨晚的$1/$2 ...切忌陷入GTO陷阱。你第一手自己都觉得你能beat的牌不到底池赔率了。那是clear fold啊。

yyy6

pongba 发表于 2015-1-29 02:21嗯，完全同意。另外，感觉有时候有GTO就偷懒了，而不去根据对手的tendency去做剥削打法。比如昨晚的$1/$2 ...切忌陷入GTO陷阱。你第一手自己都觉得你能beat的牌不到底池赔率了。那是clear fold啊

pongba

歪总明鉴，而且我觉得第三手靠得比第一手更离谱。gto 双刃剑