raise还是float?
最近在跟一个reg HU纠缠的时候遇到一点困惑,$.25/.5 200BB cash. 这人的风格总体是TAG,VPIP没有太大的漏洞,但是有如下几个特点:1) OOP的range似乎分裂的厉害,有如下几种line:1.1) 3bet pre, cbet flop (总体他的OOP VPIP比IP低很多,所以3bet frequency也相对高点,我尝试过4bet light,mixed results,sometimes he fold, sometimes he calls, and very occasionally he 5bets。总的来说,oop 3bet range应该还是相对较strong, TT+居多)1.1.1) 3bet pre, x/c flop (见过两次3bet pre在paired board上check AK到河牌——我没有action,一是想看showdown收集数据,二是我还不清楚他会不会也check overpair——至少见过一次他IP check overpair 在889cc面上一直到河牌出了第三张club才valuebet的,不清楚是不是OOP也敢这么干,三是该人有hero call的能力,故我一般不rep一些不make sense的board)1.2) call pre, donk flop (这里他的flop donk或x/r的line应该有一些较大的leak,总体感觉他的donk line严重偏weak,在rag board上,比如25Tr,他曾经x/r一枪,我用K3ss后门花顺float,到turn上出了个6s他继续开枪我raise 2.5x rep str8准备shove any river (about pot+ size behind) if he just calls,他tank call,river another spade,他tank lead shove,I call and lost to nut flush。这里我确信他river是value bet,因为我rep的顺很大可能不会再开枪了所以只能lead for value,只是我的bkdoor能beat不少value combo所以就call了。后来想想这手牌在flop或者turn上处理得都有问题,flop可以raise,turn应该raise big或者继续float,flop raise的好处是他没法继续追后门,turn raise big因为他continue turn有很多后门spades不希望他有足够的odds,但是因为turn出了顺面,所以raise turn可能遭遇他range里面实际的顺子反推,使得我自己的好draw没法看到river,这里请教城里各位老师们如果遇到这种情况你怎么打?)1.2.1) call pre, x/c flop1.2.2) call pre, x/r flop1.2.3) call pre, call flop, x/r turn (e.g. call flop with a backdoor draw, and lead turn or x/r turn depending on whether backdoor draw hits)1.2.4) call pre, call flop, lead turn2) IP他VPIP大约40%(主观感觉),cbet freq很高,感觉超过70%一点。被call了之后bet turn频率大幅下降,被call turn了之后river的频率继续下降很多。我OOP较少bluff,几乎没有donk,有很少量x/c flop, lead turn,极少量x/r flop。一般就是x/c x/c。总体我感觉面对一个有能力读牌并hero call的villain,x/c + lead semibluff的line不是很profitable。也许可以x/c flop lead river after he checks turn behind,或者lead turn + river after he checks flop behind,考虑到他的high aggression,他的check behind鲜有强牌。先写到这里,想到再补充。贴几手我保存下来的牌:Seat 1: WP($133.75)Seat 6: Alex ($266.25)The button is in seat #1WPposts the small blind of $0.25Alex posts the big blind of $0.50*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to WP WP raises to $1.50Alex calls $1*** FLOP *** Alex bets $2WP raises to $5Alex folds---------------------------------------Seat 1: WP ($98.75)Seat 6: Alex ($201.25)The button is in seat #6Alex posts the small blind of $0.25WP posts the big blind of $0.50*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to WP Alex raises to $1.50WP calls $1*** FLOP *** WP checksAlex bets $2WP calls $2*** TURN *** WP bets $6Alex calls $6*** RIVER *** WP bets $13Alex foldsUncalled bet of $13 returned to WPWP mucksWP wins the pot ($19)*** SUMMARY ***Total pot $19 | Rake $0Seat 0: WP (big blind) collected ($19), muckedSeat 5: Alex (small blind) folded on the River----------------------------------------------------------------------------Seat 1: ZW ($53.75)Seat 2: Alex ($199)Seat 6: WP ($97.25)The button is in seat #6ZW posts the small blind of $0.25Alex posts the big blind of $0.50*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to WP WP raises to $1.50ZW foldsAlex calls $1*** FLOP *** Alex bets $2.25WP raises to $6Alex calls $3.75*** TURN *** Alex checksWP checks*** RIVER *** Alex checksWP checksAlex shows a pair of SevensWP shows a pair of SevensWP wins the pot ($15.25) with a pair of Sevens*** SUMMARY ***Total pot $15.25 | Rake $0Board: Seat 0: ZW (small blind) folded before the FlopSeat 1: Alex (big blind) showed and lost with a pair of SevensSeat 5: WP (button) showed and won ($15.25) with a pair of Sevens--------------------------------------------------Seat 1: WP ($99.50)Seat 6: Alex ($300.50)The button is in seat #1WP posts the small blind of $0.25Alex posts the big blind of $0.50*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to WP WP raises to $1.50Alex calls $1*** FLOP *** Alex bets $2WP calls $2*** TURN *** Alex checksWP bets $5Alex calls $5*** RIVER *** Alex checksWP bets $15Alex calls $15WP shows a pair of NinesAlex mucksWP wins the pot ($47) with a pair of Nines*** SUMMARY ***Total pot $47 | Rake $0Board: Seat 0: WP (small blind) showed and won ($47) with a pair of NinesSeat 5: Alex (big blind) mucked 之所以标题起“raise还是float”,是因为各有利弊,在比如rag board上面对donk,如果raise的话好处是他很可能fold,坏处是其实我们自己也rep不了什么,如果他就范了也就罢了,如果遭遇light 3bet又几乎进入一个level game。float的话这里我们可以float我们的任何A high和任何pair,但是坏处是他donk的range里面有很多可以在turn上继续发力,让你很难受,当然,我们可以继续float turn,可是到了river上我们能rep的牌也会进一步狭窄化,而且我们float 一个rag flop本来就意味着弃掉了很多的牌给他(至少得有个后门才好float吧),使得他donk几乎有immediate +EV。除非我们float any2,但是似乎也不合适。 如果是面对对手flop donk要怎么打这个问题的话。针对这个对手,我认为毫无概念的牌就弃牌。然两极分化地raise,剩下来的float。如果对对手的倾向有进一步阅读,可以再进一步剥削。这里有一个对对手"度"的掌握问题,还有对我们自己的"度"的掌握问题。对手不太过分,那我们也不必太过分,能占便宜就好,太过分了,反而赚不到钱。不用考虑对手donk一定+ev这种事情。除非对手做的真的很过分,否则不必担心这个事情。如果我们总是考虑在任何时候,都让对手,一点+ev的机会都没有,那我们的策略会充满漏洞。譬如,如果对手flop donk range 中,只有30%的诈呼,那么这30%的时候,我们就让他+ev啊,这点空间不给别人留嘛?而如果对手flop donk range中,有70%诈呼,那么我们有位置,还不是随便捏他? 而且我们操作得不必过分,最好让他时不时地偷锅成功,这样他才会一直这么做,我们才能细水长流地从他这个漏洞中赚钱。所以关键在于"占他便宜",而不是"打草惊蛇"。---从另一个角度看,假设对手flop donk bet size 60%pot, 我们要让他彻底无法获得直接+ev的话,需要至少防御62.5%的牌,考虑到对手的诈呼牌也有一定equity,那么我们实际上要防御2/3以上。在一个干燥牌面上,要硬撑这么大的骨架,很累的。遇到软的对手,还行。遇到强的对手,就是非常大的一个漏洞。对手当然要3bet出来或者barrel出来,就像楼主自己说的,大家就互相level去吧。 谢谢lililili的指教,后续问题:1) 如果对手的各种donk line的weak hands居多,我们有位置,怎么随便捏他?两极分化的raise的话,我们没有那么多强牌来raise,是不是说raise所有的middle pair+,我觉得是一个选择。剩下的float又是哪些去float呢?能否详细分析。2) 考虑到咋呼有一定equity,为什么反倒要防御2/3以上?我感觉应该是防御2/3以下啊。 float还是raise要看具体牌面,对抗他的频率不要太高,总体来看是不错的reg
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